Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:04 am Post subject: AC Newbie at Panguitch - Help!
I'm going up to Panguitch later this month and I'll be trying out two new AC plugs (4"). I've gone to Panguitch almost every year for the past 30 years and all I've ever done on the lake is troll small mepp lures and flies like woolly buggers. We tend to regularly catch small rainbows, but this year I've decided to try to catch something bigger. My kids (8 and 12) are beyond excited after looking at the pictures on this site.
As a newbie to this, I have a few "dumb" questions. My simple rod, reel, fluoro line and improved clinch knots have always been fine for the 10-12" rainbows I'm used to catching.
What knot should I be using? I searched under "knot" and found some threads on mono connected to fluoro and braids (??) and all these knots I've never heard of. Are those things really necessary for rainbows compared to something like a 20-30# striper? I imagine if I catch anything, it would be in the couple # area...
What line should I be using? Is something like 12 # test fluoro fine? Do I need to do all that fancy connecting of different line together (fluoro to mono)? Usually I just put a bunch of line on the reel, attach a hook, lure, or fly and I'm good to go. Will that work for what I'm going to be doing?
Do I need any tackle upstream of the lure? Weights? Swivel?
Finally, how much line do I let out? In the past, I would guess I'd let out about 50 yards. Is that reasonable? Too little?
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:02 am Post subject:
Im in no way a trout expert but I did hear of someone catching a tiger trout out of that lake that was over 10lbs.... not sure if its true but thats a big trout and I imagine that class of fish will pull hard and probly eat a 4'' A.C. Plug.
The trout guys on this site are very knoledgeable and im sure will help more than I can.
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:30 am Post subject: trip
My 2 cents:
Your best chance at a giant in that lake it to target the tiger trout. A "giant" in Panguitch = anything over 24" long, (5 pounds plus). The only issue is that there are so many cutthroat in there that hit big lures as well that it can be hard to get through to the tigers.
What I would do:
1) Fish 6 colors on a lead core outfit with a 75 foot, 10 pound flourocarbon "leader". You can google "lead core knot" to find some good knots. You can have your local fishing shop set up your leadcore reel if you don't already have one set up. I would fish a 4" or 5", black and gold AC Skinny on this rig to imitate the Utah chub that are in the lake.
2) Run your downrigger right near the bottom with a 7" frog colored AC Original. Don't worry about braid... just go straight 12 pound mono on this one. Go 150' back off the downrigger ball.
Make sure to use Berkley cross lock snaps for your line tie. Improved clinch knot is fine for your connections.
Head out to around 40' of water or so and start circling the lake, staying in that depth. Troll around 2-3 mph. Don't get hung up on all of the details... watch your lures swim and if they look good to you then let that confidence carry over into your fishing time. The nice thing is that most of the guys that fish this lake all do the same thing... so you have an advantage with your AC Plugs. Let us know how you do! _________________
Thanks for all of that info, Mark! It's going to take me some time to translate it into English, though. I'm definitely not up to speed with all of the fishing lingo. Most of my time has been spent drifting salmon eggs in streams and creeks and using bobbers/bait or trolling small lures.
So, a lead core outfit is mainly a large wrap of lead core line (heavy type of fishing line?) with a 75 foot "extension" of fluorocarbon leader attached to it? (Sorry...really, I'm new to this.) What do you mean by colors?
I don't have a downrigger (I looked that up on youtube). Basically, you'll have to imagine a guy in a rental boat with a basic rod/reel who has been fishing a lot of times but not using very complicated equipment or setups.
Maybe I'm in over my head? I was planning on just hooking up the lure, letting out a certain amount of line and hoping for the best. It's worked pretty well in the past in catching trout in Panguitch, but not necessarily very big ones. What would be the downside of this besides lowering my chances? Starting to feel a little embarrassed here! :)
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:30 am Post subject: trip
Ok, no downrigger. No problem =) Just run 2 lead core rigs out the back of the boat. One at 5 colors and one at 8 colors. You can run the original on the deeper rig. If you google "how to set up leadcore", (this will also explain "colors") you can figure out how to set up the reels or you can go to your local fishing shop and they can set them up for you.
It really isn't that complicated once it is all set up. Just make sure you don't do any sharp turns while you troll so you don't get tangled. If you spend the time to get this set up I think you will do better than just top line trolling this time of year. Good luck! _________________
Do you attach the lure directly to the snap or is there a leader between the two?
Also, I assume the lead core setup is just to get the lure down in the water. I'm probably not going to be able to get this all put together by the time we leave. For this trip, since I won't have the lead core, would it make sense to add some lead weight to the line to help the lure get lower in the water? Would letting out more line help get it down, too?
Tie to a snap, no leader, just the 10-12 lb. line and you could use a keel sinker or a 1/2 ounce rubber core sinker. That will get you down. Put the sinker about 3 feet from the snap...Add a heavier weight, maybe one ounce to get you down deeper, but don't use too much weight...good luck....bring a good sized net... _________________
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